Monday, June 23, 2008

MORE GREG LAND TRACING

Here's some more examples from around the web of GREG LAND tracing not only photographs (of other people's work I might add), but of his own work:
[Even toys are not safe]
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I've heard many people say, in addition to tracing Maxim, Muscle Fitness and Playboy, that Land also traces porn. I don't see it. Just kidding.
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For the cover to UNCANNY X-MEN #500, Land pulled out the spots and reused alot of his own work, as well as swiping from John Cassaday, too!

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

I hate Land. The Internet hates Land. Why does Marvel give him work? He's a joke.

I hate Greg Horn, too, and I think you once blogged about that. I'm not yet at the point of boycotting Land and Horn, but everytime they show up I wonder if Marvel has one single artist on staff, one single illustrator in thier editorial pool who can see that cribbing other talented peoples work is cheap and wrong.

Doesn't Joey Quesada work there? He's an illustrator, right? I hope he puts in a word to the people who make desisions to fire Land. :-)

allen said...

Crap. Total crap.

Tired of this crap said...

yep,..most over rated artist, biggest hack out there,..and I love the pick of Wolverine doind Lat Pulldowns on the X-Men #500 spread (yes,..that is a photo of a bodybiulder doing Lat pulldowns,..I've seen it a hundred times)

screw you Land.......get some talent. This is crap I pulled in High Schoo; when I was trying to LEARN how to draw.

allen said...

Who is the face in black and white in the montage. She has her arms raised. I've seen that before, but can't place the image...

Anonymous said...

Greg Land angries up the blood.

allen said...

I could be wrong, but I think that is Kurt Russel's head on the fantastic 4 action figure.

Dysphory said...

Hey guys, what the hell with your hate about this guy ??
What's wrong with using photo references ( even pick up on google ).
Most of the artist do that.

Ok ok, stealing the work of others is bad, but I think it's not 100% obvious, I mean, you can do that with 50% of the others drawers, you can find dozen of identical super hero poses through different artists/comic book. These kind of poses are really classic for that kind of material.

And " ok ok " again, using porn pose is....hum, maybe not appropriated ^^
But hey, due to the thigh deadlines, sometimes you have to take references in your personal movie collection ^^

Jim said...

Just for the record, I have no hatred for Greg Land the person, and do not wish any ill will towards him.

I am simply not a fan of his work for the reasons I've mentioned before.

For me, when I look at his work, I just see traced photographs with costumes drawn on. It looks like pin-up fanart.

I'm also a huge fan of comic art that is original and unlike anything I've seen before. I do not find that enjoyment in Land's work.

Some do like his work. We all have diff't opinions. For me, I don't buy anything with is work in it. But for those who do like it, enjoy - to each their own.

Liefeld said...

I draw my own stuff without photo reference and get dogged by the fans daily. I don't blame Land for doing what he does. Maybe I'll start doing it, too.

Daniel Bein said...

using photo reference, and even tracing is PERFECTLY acceptable in the field of illustration. now, if he's copying other artist's work that's different. but photo reference, and referencing stuff you've done in the past is totally fine.

Anonymous Comic Professional said...

Yes, unfortunately with Land he traces others' work whether it be others' comic work or photography. And he reuses his own work so much it's almost like pure cut-N-paste. People complain that Liefeld's stuff (faces) always looks the same. Yet Land gets praise for his recycling. In the end Land takes the easy route and stands on the shoulders if others. Reference is about aiding yor picture... Not tracing the reference itself and passing off as your own.

Pocketful of Awesome said...

There is a huge difference between the way some artists (such as Templesmith and Phillips) use photo reference and the way Land does. They adapt the points of reference into well-composed scenes with distinctive characters. Land re-uses stuff that isn't even appropriate to what he's working on, his characters don't look consistent, and the poses are ludicrous.

I use photo reference often, though usually for things like cars, guns or awkward poses. And then it's only used to get basic shapes. There's nothing wrong with ensuring your figures are convincing. But Land's "tracing" is distracting from the storytelling, and that's what keeps me from reading any title he illustrates.

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Anonymous said...

I happen to like Land's artwork, and I don't care how he does it. The end result looks great imho, and unless he breaks any copyright laws I don't mind him re-using his previous work. Why reinvent the wheel all over again?

Photo-referencing is also perfectly acceptable, no matter who took the photo. Of course you can't simply copy a photo or incorporate it into a collage, but basing cartoon / comic artwork on a photo is perfectly fine. This is known as derivative work in legal terms, and it doesn't violate any copyright unless the derivative artwork is nearly identical with the original.

Just think of Andy Warhol's Campbell's Soup Cans. Was Warhol an artist? If he was (and I really can't imagine that anybody would deny that), Land is an artist too. I'd rather look at his photorealistic and probably photosourced work than putting up with original but either badly done or very abstract artwork.

Anonymous said...

I happen to like Land's artwork, and I don't care how he does it. The end result looks great imho, and unless he breaks any copyright laws I don't mind him re-using his previous work. Why reinvent the wheel all over again?

Photo-referencing is also perfectly acceptable, no matter who took the photo. Of course you can't simply copy a photo or incorporate it into a collage, but basing cartoon / comic artwork on a photo is perfectly fine. This is known as derivative work in legal terms, and it doesn't violate any copyright unless the derivative artwork is nearly identical with the original.

Just think of Andy Warhol's Campbell's Soup Cans. Was Warhol an artist? If he was (and I really can't imagine that anybody would deny that), Land is an artist too. I'd rather look at his photorealistic and probably photosourced work than putting up with original but either badly done or very abstract artwork.

Pj Perez said...

There's nothing wrong with photoreference. Artists use it all the time.

But the problem with Land is that he doesn't just use photoreference to capture a pose or figure. He wholly reproduces his reference, down to facial features. Which means he's not even bothering to keep the characters he's paid to draw "on model."

In addition, their facial expressions and poses rarely match what's happening in the story, including the dialogue.

That's just bad storytelling.

Jim said...

As I've said numerous times before:

Photo Referencing is fine.

Photo Tracing is not.

Photo Swiping From Other Artist (as Land has been known to do) is unacceptable and its plagerism.

If you like Land's art, that's fine. To each his own. Personally, I do not.

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I just see traced photographs with costumes drawn on.

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Harold L. George - Gsting® said...

I sometimes trace backgrounds loosely. Is that a bad thing?

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