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This looks completely awesome. I didn't really think this about the first movie.
yeeaah, the 1st one had some stuff that held up (Ray Park as Snake Eyes, despite the face-shaped crap, Baroness, decent action overall, etc), but mostly it was some FAIL.
tried too hard to be one of the cartoons stretched out to 2 hrs or something.
anyway, THIS is indeed more exciting and does look pretty kick ass, like TimPro said, and as a fan of G.I. Joe growing up, i've been waiting for them to give us true fans from back in the day something a little different.
i'm a huge fna of what they did w/ Xmen: First Class because that has never really been FULLY delved into before the film. yeah, there were First Class comics, but they were different.
that movie makes the Wolverine one look evne more like crap. they better come w/ some kick-assness in the new one.
but i digress... hopefully the message of "quit screwing w/ us" rang loud and clear so that this one is as awesome as it looks. it's still got the AWESOME Ray Park! ;-D
awww, dammit, i just got Rick Rolled. don't click on the other G.I. Joe trailer link. ...or, rather, CLICK IT. lol
Named Joe's getting wiped out just like in the comics, the proper Cobra symbol hanging from the White House, Vipers in proper costumes, multiple ninjas, Bruce Willis and is that a H.I.S.S. coming out of the flames? This trailer alone looks so much better than the first film.
thank you Hollywood for finally STICKING TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL
finally,..don't know if the movie will be as awesome as the trailer,..but thank you,..now,..could you please try the same with comics? ( an X-MEN re boot would be a perfect place to start.....please,..wipe those films away..)
minus the somewhat insignificant (or, at least, "over-paid-attention-to") "incongruent characters", such as Havok being around the same age as Prof X, First Class was better than the best the previous Xmen films had to offer.
...arguably the 2nd one overall, despite the 1st one & even the AWFUL douche-Ratner 3rd having some good moments (Grammar as Beast, Ashmore's Iceman & McKellan's Magneto, etc), which don't OVERALL compare to First Class.
plot, actors, flow, etc. were all great stuff. best of the Summer Blockbusters (in comparison to Green Lantern FAIL as well as Cap A & Thor WIN) & most overrated film of THE YEAR.
my bad, "most UNDERRATED film of the year", was what i was trying to say. clearly. lol
Is that a Cobra Viper... or maybe a Cobra Viper inspired Cobra Commander, talking with the US President?
I sure hope it's a Viper... and Cobra Commander (this time) looks like Cobra Commander!
I wasn't saying that the X-Men movie was horrible ( 2 and 3 yes,..) But my point being and exemplified in FIRST CLASS, is that those movies were only good bc they didn't suck. My point was that, just stick to the source material. The right characters in the right chronological order in the correct setting with the correct storyline. There is seriously no need to "re envision" them. the stories are already there, the characters are already there,..the tension, and moral play is already there. just,..tell,..the story.
- I always ask my freinds who love these films,.." OK,..is this the X-MEN movie you wanted to see, or are you just happy to see the names and powers ( somewhat) on the screen"
- these stories and characters are more than just names and powers,..there's a mythos involved. X-MEN first class to me was like watching a movie about the American Revolution where George Washington, with the help of Abe Lincoln, Martin Luther King and Ben Franklin ( with his steam punk helper 'K.I.T.E."), leads a band of misfit rebels across the Mississippi, to fight the Nazis.
it might be entertaining, but it's still not right in any aspect other than the names involved.
WIN!!!!!
sorry, MALHAVOK, but the George Washington to Abe Lincoln & etc example is WAY, WAY off of First Class. that can't even be described as "similar to" the older Xmen films, except MAYBE the 3rd. that one, the one Ratner raped, was done by a guy who wasn't a fan and just wanted to make $$.
all the rest are Singer-influenced/directed movies, and the man is a genuine fan. you can see it in his work. ...granted, Superman Returns was largely crap, but you can't discount EVERYTING in that film (Routh being pretty good, Spacey being PERFECT).
...you can't fully discount Superman Returns and it was way crappier than Xmen 1 & 2, which overall (in considering EVERYTHING) just weren't as good as First Class.
i mean, there's been soooooooo many comic arcs about Xmen that WHICH story would you even go by? the one YOU personally choose, which would be different than many other people who make these comics?
it's all subjective and oyu have to view everyone's vision as such. First Class wasn't some "grotesquely OFF re-imagining".
and you, me, and everyone else would make it the same and say, "now that's good stuff", while SOMEONE would find fault.
if i'm wrong, please show us all what you can do w/ the material!
besides, despite being "real" to you, and as much as i grew up w/ it, it is simply NOT history. period. even if some story simply based on any one of those actual historical figures that was NOT 100% authentic were out there, it'd justbe considered as "fake, but interesting take" & that's it. that's the movies. all of them, bar none.
w/ your attitude towards the material, you'd have to despise every single comic out there today, as along your own lines, there is either vintage or fake out there.
oh, and one of the COOLEST aspects of First Class, as genius as THIS is, was the fact that the relationship between Magneto & X has never been done in that way. everyone from their first appearance has seen the same old 2 guys and never their backstory. ...not fully, at least.
the cool thing about the first Xmen? seeing them live & in color as those SPECIFIC characters, which were done wonderfully from top to bottom.
but, as cool as that is, it was just another "regular blah, blah, blah, seen that already" version. real fans for decades have been interested in something different. not RATNER different, but COOL different, and First Class delivered that. you can't deny that, regardless of your fandom & previous knowledge of the characters.
none of the other "Summer Blockbusters" were perfectly spot on, but so what. they were, mostly, good stuff w/ First Class being the best overall in consideration of everything.
quickly:
ORIGINAL X-MEN:
Scott
Jean
Bobby
Hank
Warren
( so right there First class fails)
Emma, ...NEVER an x-man until lately
Sebastian Shaw...wrong powers,..wrong place
Magneto,..not original x-man
Banshee,..not original x-man
and that's just for starters......
the entire story is wrong. characters who were never "original characters are there,. so yes,...my analogy does hold up. Like I said,..just bc the film was good, or they did a "great "take" on magneto and Prof, doesn't mean it's correct.
-Like I said (again),..do it right
Scott,Hank, Bobby, Warren,Jean ( the ACTUAL original X-Men)- not that hard of a concept.
because,.YES it IS history. comic history, literary history,..pop culture history.there are 40 years of "History" there. you might as well have Macbeth hanging out with Hamlet bc,.."it's not history" right?
this conception that the mythos is under "interpretation" and everything is up for grabs is a ridiculous notion. you don't make a move about the grapes of wrath, and change the characters, setting, and story, bc it was an original take on it, or it was an "interpretation"
once again,..the movie was a fine "film" but it's not a good X-MEN movie,..do it right...you can like first class all you want, but it's a cheep knockoff that's banking on the original work. .
-I'm not trying to sound condescending, or a@#holish,..I'm just trying to make the point that there's no need to deviate from the source material...so please don't take it as me yelling, or screaming or pointing a finger......
"you might as well have Macbeth hanging out with Hamlet bc,.."it's not history" right?"
yes. it's not actual history. when the guy who made it wrote it? ACTUAL HISTORY. Stan Lee? ACTUAL HISTORY. the timeline to which Xmen "lived"? NOT ACTUAL HISTORY and always changing.
"you don't make a move about the grapes of wrath, and change the characters, setting, and story, bc it was an original take on it, or it was an 'interpretation' ".
again, yes, you do. there is a difference between "people" and "stuff people make, which is ALL made up unless it actually exists". ...regardless to how "close" one person may feel it is to reality.
ask Stan the Man himself and he'll either think you're a stalker or just don't get it.
another example, that's actually SEMI-grounded in ACTUAL reality... relevent to the day and topic...
Santa Claus.
"real" to kids, "made up & not perfectly historical" to everyone else. ...and some would say that Santa Claus is actually "closer to actual history" than Xmen. seriously.
you're allowing a rather short-sighted attitude and OBSESSION ruin good product, as "xmen #1" chronicles them AFTER being together.
...and i'm pretty sure that, since the film was made (especially by an actual fan, like i said, instead of "just another Hollywood money whore"), Stan Lee himself gave it a thumbs up.
so you're basically looking a liiiiittle too fanatical right now and literally like you're yelling at the screen. ...about something beloved nonetheless, but FAKE like someone ranting about how the MUPPETS don't have perfect continuity.
one of the best films ever made, and the best "comic book movie" ever (in my & numerous other minds, at least) is The Dark Knight. ...and it's not perfectly PERFECT either, but the product is good, so why force something into "miserable land" by overthinking it into a grave?
in a way, you simply CANNOT put the comics and movies together. different makers, different visions; and you have to respect both. MY POINT...
same as before...
there have now been a total of, what... 5 Xmen movies, counting Wolverine? out of them, the best is First Class, then Xmen 2. period. no need to start yelling at a grave you're sweating while digging is all i'm trying to say here.
once again, though... A Midsummer Night's Dream? fiction, fake, made-up, NOT history. William Shakespeare? real, historical, breathing, live person.
...btw... never have, nor did i here, say that any movie even follows comic origins "perfectly". they will forver be different, no matter how close to the original in any way, because it is a different format and made w/ "ARTISTIC LICENSE" to do their own take.
...as even exists in the comics themselves, as THAT changes constantly. look at House of M, Age of X, ETC.
i mean, it's like we're literally having a conversation of whether or not Abraham Lincoln lived in this reality or an alternate one or something, which is HILARIOUS!
do you put the new "alternate realities" of the original FAKE comics in our current reality above what just came out yesterday, or trump it back the other way?
all opinions matter & are all different because IT IS NOT ACTUAL HISTORY, whether you agree or not.
i grew up w/ all this stuff, as a fan now for decades. i love it, but it's slightly ludicrous to even begin to argue if...
i'm not even gonna finish that, actually, 'cause if you don't know what i'm saying by now, then there's nothing else to say.
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